Nice is different than good
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lovingbothAs it's my favourite musical, I did wonder what the film version of Into The Woods was going to be like, and I am happy-ish to report that it's ok.
Certainly it's a lot better than Rob Marshall's attempt at doing Chicago, another favourite musical. That involved trying to make all the characters 'nice' (despite half of them being murderesses), frantic editing to disguise the fact that half his cast can't dance, losing all the references to homo- and bisexuality, and some very soggy sounding orchestrations. Clearly not everyone agrees with me - I know Katy doesn't and, incredibly, it won the 'Best Picture' Academy Award. Presumably most of the voters hadn't seen a good stage production and it would be very interesting to know how much it won by.
Unfortunately, Into.. does have many of the same faults. Fortunately, the orchestrations are fine, but some of the characters are made nicer and at least two deaths are softened. (It didn't have to be made by Disney!)
Meryl Streep in particular is miscast - if you're going to have her in this, make her The Giant's Wife, not The Witch: she has to sing... For the others, Jack speaks with Hollywood's version of London English, and Little Red Riding Hood with something distinctly American. It's ok to cast children in this, but it does mean that a couple of unnecessary fudges and changes are made.
The biggest issue is that they've messed around with the structure. Amongst the things that make the show such a great piece is that it's very much in two halves. Because of how the first act ends, some of the audience inevitably think that's the end of the show (and there's a schools version where it is!) You could say that in the first, nearly everyone gets what they want, and in the second and darker half, everyone gets what they deserve...
By ditching the narrator - there is narration, but it's now by The Baker - and losing the reprise of Agony, they've lost both of the comic bits of that darker second half. So what should be a time of great contrast has been noticeably blanded out from both directions.
Some of the other songs have gone, to be replaced by dialogue. Sadly, almost none of the additional dialogue - the replacement bits and the additions elsewhere - works as well as the original.
There are good bits: the first Agony is very good (this makes it even more annoying that the second one is cut) and the visual freezing of time for On the Steps of the Palace works very well. The cinematography is good and the editing is fine.
So JA - who knows this one forwards and backwards - and I liked it, but we both agreed it could have been much, much better... The DVD will certainly be bought, and I hope it has more than one song that was cut from it as an extra.
Certainly it's a lot better than Rob Marshall's attempt at doing Chicago, another favourite musical. That involved trying to make all the characters 'nice' (despite half of them being murderesses), frantic editing to disguise the fact that half his cast can't dance, losing all the references to homo- and bisexuality, and some very soggy sounding orchestrations. Clearly not everyone agrees with me - I know Katy doesn't and, incredibly, it won the 'Best Picture' Academy Award. Presumably most of the voters hadn't seen a good stage production and it would be very interesting to know how much it won by.
Unfortunately, Into.. does have many of the same faults. Fortunately, the orchestrations are fine, but some of the characters are made nicer and at least two deaths are softened. (It didn't have to be made by Disney!)
Meryl Streep in particular is miscast - if you're going to have her in this, make her The Giant's Wife, not The Witch: she has to sing... For the others, Jack speaks with Hollywood's version of London English, and Little Red Riding Hood with something distinctly American. It's ok to cast children in this, but it does mean that a couple of unnecessary fudges and changes are made.
The biggest issue is that they've messed around with the structure. Amongst the things that make the show such a great piece is that it's very much in two halves. Because of how the first act ends, some of the audience inevitably think that's the end of the show (and there's a schools version where it is!) You could say that in the first, nearly everyone gets what they want, and in the second and darker half, everyone gets what they deserve...
By ditching the narrator - there is narration, but it's now by The Baker - and losing the reprise of Agony, they've lost both of the comic bits of that darker second half. So what should be a time of great contrast has been noticeably blanded out from both directions.
Some of the other songs have gone, to be replaced by dialogue. Sadly, almost none of the additional dialogue - the replacement bits and the additions elsewhere - works as well as the original.
There are good bits: the first Agony is very good (this makes it even more annoying that the second one is cut) and the visual freezing of time for On the Steps of the Palace works very well. The cinematography is good and the editing is fine.
So JA - who knows this one forwards and backwards - and I liked it, but we both agreed it could have been much, much better... The DVD will certainly be bought, and I hope it has more than one song that was cut from it as an extra.
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Date: 2015-01-14 09:17 pm (UTC)This is possibly my favourite stage musical. Les Mis and Sweeney Todd are also in my top 3* and I very consciously have avoided seeing the film versions of them because I think they will make me sad and angry.
I had been wondering about whether to risk this one or not. What you write is troubling and sad but I suppose it's best to be warned beforehand.
*I also very much love Jesus Christ Superstar but I know you and I disagree on which the best version of that is :)
At least one person will have 'got' the title of the post then :)
Date: 2015-01-15 12:05 am (UTC)Plus had I looked at the WP page after its release, I'd have been prepared to not wonder when they were going to fit the reprise of Agony in. A month or so ago, it was just saying something like the Baker's Wife would have a different song to reflect a Disney-imposed change to what happens in the woods.
Losing the chorus means that Sweeney Todd is sufficiently different to the show to mean I don't mind it so much: it's a film with songs rather than the musical. I'd still like to see a cut with the chorus numbers - which some sources say were at least recorded - back in though.
From the perspective of someone who thinks Les Mis is 'mostly harmless' melodrama (I've only seen it once) the film version is 'fine'. Obviously everything is turned up to 11, but having it sung live makes it more interesting.
Yep, the film of Superstar film fails in terms of its casting and especially the poor orchestration and playing for me.
Re: At least one person will have 'got' the title of the post then :)
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Date: 2015-01-16 04:41 pm (UTC)If it does, it reduces the price to £3.99. If it doesn't, you may decide to get it anyway: it is a very good production, and thanks in part to the open air setting, has easily the best second half of any of the eight or so I've seen.
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Date: 2015-01-16 09:13 pm (UTC)There are some sound crackles (given it was recorded over two nights, I think, they could have avoided that) but it's certainly worth £3.99 for a permanent copy.