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Ian ([personal profile] lovingboth) wrote2009-04-19 02:34 pm
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An infinite number of correct answers

From a SATS key stage 2 (i.e. for 6-7 year olds) practice question...

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[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, way to ask a non-specific question! I'm assuming the kids will get points for any two numbers that have a product of 120, though. Otherwise that's just cruel.
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[personal profile] barakta 2009-04-19 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Bugger you've hidden the responses ;)

I specifically said I was only dealing in integers.

That's also quite hard for a KS2 child - they only really seem to have started multiplication tables by then. I'm not sure I could have done that at 6 or 7 cos we didn't do tables properly till I was about 8 when I crunched through them rapidly and got my stupid certificate out of the way.

[identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
If you said integers, did you consider answers like -6*-20?
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[personal profile] barakta 2009-04-19 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
No, you got me on those.

[identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
A useful term here is [[natural number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_number)]]

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never understood why minus numbers behave that way.

[identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll show you next time we're in the same place. The short answer is: draw a graph of -2x against x and it should be clear!

[identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It's OK, I don't think I really need to know why. Multiplying minus numbers in my head isn't something I need to do regularly, anyway.
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[personal profile] barakta 2009-04-19 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I await your answers with interest.

I definitely want to see what the mathmos answered and see if my poor little brain can make sense of it without going *boom*.

[identity profile] ciphergoth.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I gave good answer :-)

[identity profile] a-musing-amazon.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
(1,120),(2,60),(3,40),(4,30),(5,24),(6,20),(8,15),(10,12) are the positive integers.
While (-1,-120),(-2,-60),(-3,-40),(-4,-30),(-5,-24),(-6,-20),(-8,-15),(-10,-12) are the negative integer solutions,
also (x,120/x) where x is a rational number,
also irrational solutions such as (120^1/2,120^1/2),
also transcendental numbers such as (Pi, 120/Pi),(e,120/e).
also complex numbers, such as (120i, -i).

I suppose the most general answer would be something like (x, 120/x) where x is a complex number a +bi where a and b are real numbers and a+bi <> 0. But this does seem a bot beyond the comprehension of most 5-6 yeat olds.



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[personal profile] nitoda 2009-04-19 03:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Help ... a monster swallowed my partner! ;-)

[identity profile] trishpiglet.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd give the quickest answer I could think of and then move on to see if the other questions were any more challenging

But then I'm not 6

[identity profile] haggis.livejournal.com 2009-04-19 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
An infinite number of correct answers. But also a larger infinite number of wrong answers presumably?

[identity profile] ergotia.livejournal.com 2009-04-20 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I would not have had a clue about that when I was 6.

[identity profile] badriya.livejournal.com 2009-04-22 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
I had 30x40 as one but knew it looked too big and had to do it on paper :) I got 10x12 ok at once. I think that was the expected answer if they do tables. Ten times table is one of the first you learn, isn't it?